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[RedCowboy]

Framework is better than Biden's grifting in Ukraine that only served Biden.

Anyone who wants to vote can vote, in person with ID in hand and give that " black people are too stupid to get ID " garbage a rest, seriously you liberals talk about racism and then say blacks can't get ID..... Fricking NONSENSE !

ID to vote and all votes counted by the end of election day. Mail in ballots only for infirmed or serving out of country.

 

[Aorus Forever]

Framework is better than Biden's grifting in Ukraine that only served Biden.

Anyone who wants to vote can vote, in person with ID in hand and give that " black people are too stupid to get ID " garbage a rest, seriously you liberals talk about racism and then say blacks can't get ID..... Fricking NONSENSE !

ID to vote and all votes counted by the end of election day. Mail in ballots only for infirmed or serving out of country.

There's never been any evidence of Biden grifting, maga has to say that to try to cover for trump, it's the old "look, he's doing it too" without evidence, maga 101.

A framework is next to nothing, but I'd love to see something come of it...

I already told you, I'M NOT A LIBERAL! I'm a full-on Reagan Republican till the day I die!!!
I just hate pretenders who break the law every day of the week as they take a crap on the Constitution!!!
I will never support a convicted criminal, no matter what empty promises he makes as he throws America under the bus...

WHO said anything about "black people are too stupid to get ID"??? I missed that somehow??? But speaking of ID, A voter registration card should be more than enough to vote, because again, there is no fraud beyond a handful of votes that mostly get caught anyways...

I'm fine with "all votes counted by the end of election day" as long as that includes anything postmarked by that day, and from our men and women serving overseas or under the sea!

 

[RedCowboy]

Trumps " conviction " was a mockery of justice.
1st they raided Trumps lawyers office and Trumps home looking for anything to use against him and Alvin Bragg ( who ran for office on I WILL GET TRUMP " came up with a novel concept to turn a past the statute of limitations misdemeanor state book keeping charge into 34 felonies by saying Trump calling a perfectly legal NDA payment a " business expense " rather than an " campaign expense " a felony because it was in furtherance of another crime, that being....... get this...... election interference...... well fuck me if that wasn't the entire purpose of this kangaroo court proceeding where they made it up as they went and Judge Merchan was brought in special, he was NOT on the list of judges from which 1 was supposed to be randomly picked and Merchan was conflicted, his daughters democratic non profit took in millions when Trump was charged and millions more when he was convicted. This in a court where 80% of the jury pool was anti-Trump and 2 jurors flat out said they couldn't be impartial.

Biden is all kinds of corrupt, Biden took secret documents home from when he was a congressman and Hunter Bidens " art " was a transparent grift...... lets don't forget the cut for the Big Guy.

 

[Aorus Forever]

trump is crapping on the Constitution yet again!!!

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside"

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[Aorus Forever]

Trumps " conviction " was a mockery of justice.
1st they raided Trumps lawyers office and Trumps home looking for anything to use against him and Alvin Bragg ( who ran for office on I WILL GET TRUMP " came up with a novel concept to turn a past the statute of limitations misdemeanor state book keeping charge into 34 felonies by saying Trump calling a perfectly legal NDA payment a " business expense " rather than an " campaign expense " a felony because it was in furtherance of another crime, that being....... get this...... election interference...... well fuck me if that wasn't the entire purpose of this kangaroo court proceeding where they made it up as they went and Judge Merchan was brought in special, he was NOT on the list of judges from which 1 was supposed to be randomly picked and Merchan was conflicted, his daughters democratic non profit took in millions when Trump was charged and millions more when he was convicted. This in a court where 80% of the jury pool was anti-Trump and 2 jurors flat out said they couldn't be impartial.

Biden is all kinds of corrupt, Biden took secret documents home from when he was a congressman and Hunter Bidens " art " was a transparent grift...... lets don't forget the cut for the Big Guy.

A conviction is a conviction, it's irrelevant what you or I think...

If anybody had real evidence, they should have charged Biden, AND if found guilty, should have served whatever sentence he was given; nobody stopped anybody from filing charges!
Any one of the fake maga Republicans could have moved on any real evidence, BUT, of course, they didn't in both cases, THEY ALL KNEW THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE EVIDENCE...

It was just more of the same old maga smoke and mirrors trying to make Joe look as bad as trump, They didn't care that they had nothing to charge him with. It was never about that, it was just MAKE HIM LOOK DIRTY like trump does...

 

[paul1598419]

Deep State = Long in the tooth political elites and their wealthy supporters who have private sector influence, embedded actors within our alphabet agencies and political activist judges who take marching orders.

Illegal immigrants have NO BUSINESS VOTING WHAT SO EVER !

Mail in ballots are prone to fraud and it's been proven in other countries who have mostly banned by mail voting, ballot harvesting in interfering and anyone who wants to vote should show up and vote unless hospitalized or serving out of country, otherwise all ballots need to be counted by the end of voting day.
This business of " finding " boxes of ballots a week after voting has ended is wrong and it's unfair to the public, anyone with a medical need should mail in EARLY because at the end of the last day of voting, it's over, nothing else will be counted.



Thank you for your rebuttal ( you called me a name ) ...... That is basically you saying that you can NOT refute what I said and that you're angry that you can't refute what I said, maybe work on it ? By that I mean try not to be such a one sided hypocrite.

What is there to refute? You said Democrats are criminals with no evidence. Why not try making an actual point?

 

[paul1598419]

Framework is better than Biden's grifting in Ukraine that only served Biden.

Anyone who wants to vote can vote, in person with ID in hand and give that " black people are too stupid to get ID " garbage a rest, seriously you liberals talk about racism and then say blacks can't get ID..... Fricking NONSENSE !

ID to vote and all votes counted by the end of election day. Mail in ballots only for infirmed or serving out of country.

No one ever said Blacks are too stupid to get election ID. It is true that getting a passport or a stared ID is not cheap and puts many struggling Blacks out of contention. It is just another way Republicans are trying to disenfranchise voters. Also, Biden has never been shown to have taken a cent.

 

[RedCowboy]

Democrats have wiped their ass with our Constitutional rights and the Biden cabal wanted to pack the court, this MUST NEVER HAPPEN !

Democrats are desperate to find an issue, but even your black base want's illegal immigrants out.

Voting reform is in order, mail in ballots should only be for the infirmed and those serving overseas, nothing counted after election day.
MUST HAVE ID TO VOTE !

Born on US soil = American by birth. That said illegal immigrant parents should never benefit from breaking our law, baby or not.

If Citizens due process can be served in absentia then so can illegal immigrants.

 

[paul1598419]

Democrats have wiped their ass with our Constitutional rights and the Biden cabal wanted to pack the court, this MUST NEVER HAPPEN !

Democrats are desperate to find an issue, but even your black base want's illegal immigrants out.

Voting reform is in order, mail in ballots should only be for the infirmed and those serving overseas, nothing counted after election day.
MUST HAVE ID TO VOTE !

Born on US soil = American by birth. That said illegal immigrant parents should never benefit from breaking our law, baby or not.

If Citizens due process can be served in absentia then so can illegal immigrants.

Even some Republicans aren't in favor of Trump's deportations without due processes. Biden was never in favor of changing the numbers in the SC. If he was, that is what would have happened. MAGAs just lie. No one can be tried in absentia if they are available to be tried otherwise. Trump can't just deport undocumented migrants without due process.

 

[RedCowboy]

Ohh if Biden really wanted it dems would have packed the court huh, this is why you can NEVER win again until democrats become more moderate, this current bunch is too radical.

Administrative and/or judicial deportation orders are due process as much as redflag confiscations orders are with due process served in absenia.

 

[Aorus Forever]

Democrats have wiped their ass with our Constitutional rights and the Biden cabal wanted to pack the court, this MUST NEVER HAPPEN !

Democrats are desperate to find an issue, but even your black base want's illegal immigrants out.

Voting reform is in order, mail in ballots should only be for the infirmed and those serving overseas, nothing counted after election day.
MUST HAVE ID TO VOTE !

Born on US soil = American by birth. That said illegal immigrant parents should never benefit from breaking our law, baby or not.

If Citizens due process can be served in absentia then so can illegal immigrants.

Well, Biden is gone and is never coming back, so you have nothing to fear from him...

I believe most everyone wants illegal immigrants out, but most Americans don't want to trample the Constitution to do it...

Voting reform is maga nonsense! the last three elections have been the most secure in history!! maga just wants fewer people to vote because it makes it easier for them to win, BUT none of that was needed, maga won.
Anyone who wants a mail-in ballot should be able to get one, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM, they work great, and they make it easier for some people to vote... Again THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS VOTER FRAUD! That's just maga trying to make it harder for "Them" to vote... IT SHOULD BE SUPER EASY FOR EVERYONE TO VOTE!!!

Born on US soil = American by birth, trump wants, AND is actively trying, to end that as we speak!

 

[Aorus Forever]

Ohh if Biden really wanted it dems would have packed the court huh, this is why you can NEVER win again until democrats become more moderate, this current bunch is too radical.

Administrative and/or judicial deportation orders are due process as much as redflag confiscations orders are with due process served in absenia.

That is correct, A judicial deportation order is due process...

For a named individual, BUT it's not for an unnamed group of people...

An administration or a judge cannot order the deportation of a group of unnamed people.
Here's why:

• Due Process: The U.S. Constitution guarantees due process, which includes the right to a fair hearing, before the government can deprive someone of life, liberty, or property. This applies to all individuals in the U.S., regardless of immigration status.
• Individualized Hearings: Deportation orders must be based on individualized hearings where the government presents evidence to demonstrate that a specific person is deportable under immigration law, according to the Department of Justice.
• Right to Challenge: Individuals facing deportation have the right to challenge the government's claims and present their own evidence to argue against their removal, notes the American Immigration Council.
• Notices and Hearings: Before deportation can be ordered, individuals generally receive a Notice to Appear, which informs them of the charges against them and initiates the legal process. This notice allows individuals to appear before an immigration judge and present their case.

In essence, deportation is a legal process that requires individual assessment and due process. It is not permissible to order the deportation of a group of unnamed people without proper legal proceedings and individual determinations.

AND once again, Due Process does not depend on a person's legal status...

 

[Aorus Forever]

Ohh if Biden really wanted it dems would have packed the court huh, this is why you can NEVER win again until democrats become more moderate, this current bunch is too radical.

Administrative and/or judicial deportation orders are due process as much as redflag confiscations orders are with due process served in absenia.

Are you worried that there could be evidence that you might pose a serious risk to yourself or others???

Red flag confiscation orders, also known as Extreme Risk Protection Orders (ERPOs), are court orders that temporarily restrict an individual's access to firearms when there's evidence they pose a serious risk to themselves or others. These laws, which vary by state, allow authorities to seize firearms after a judge determines a person is a danger. Red flag laws are generally short-term, with a maximum duration, and typically require a hearing before a final order is entered.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Due process:
  These laws are designed with due process protections in mind, including a notice and hearing process for the person whose firearms are being seized.
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• What they are:
  Red flag laws provide a mechanism for individuals, families, or law enforcement to petition a court to temporarily remove firearms from someone deemed a risk.
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• How they work:
  An individual files a petition, and a judge reviews the evidence, including statements from the petitioner and the subject of the petition. A hearing is held, and if the judge determines the person poses a serious risk, an ERPO is issued, requiring the surrender of firearms and ammunition.

 

[RedCowboy]

Not all states have a hearing 1st, some issue an order without the person being heard until after the order is served and getting property back is difficult, it's guilty until proven innocent.

" Red flag laws, also known as extreme risk protection orders (ERPOs), do not always guarantee a "day in court" immediately upon the initial ex parte order. The initial order, which can be issued without the individual being present, is often temporary, lasting a week or two, during which time a hearing is scheduled where the individual can present their case. "

This is guilty until proven innocent and in California anyone can make a redflag complaint against anyone else.



There are already laws in every State to have a person who is a danger to self and/or others committed for observation, but some States with redflag laws and liberal political activist judges will take a simple ex-lovers complaint about " feelings " as justification for doing the " safe thing " and violating a persons Constitutional rights, it's ridiculous to take guns and leave a dangerous person with car keys, gas cans and matches, hatchets, steak knives, hands and feet....... get the idea.
RedFlag laws are about stealing firearms ( property ) from people without giving that person due process ( a day in court 1st )

If the person is really a suspected danger to self/others and someone is willing to swear to that effect under penalty of law, then take the person into protective custody for observation. Don't just exploit emotions to pass a law to steal property ( serve a hidden agenda ) without due process ( a day in court 1st where the person is heard i.e. a hearing )

So do I think illegal invaders have a right to a day in court 1st, not if they aren't being deprived of liberty, being deported they can have all the liberty they desire, in their own country. That said I think we already give illegals due process before they are deported.

But what about Garcia and other violent criminal illegals sent to El Salvador.... AEA

 

[Aorus Forever]

They should!

They should!!

And...

They shouldn't!!!

They shouldn't!!!!

Just because one law isn't working the way it should doesn't mean it's ok to take others' rights away, two wrongs don't make a right... BUT four rights take you right back where you started!!

 

[RedCowboy]

It occurred to me that because most people are Right handed that the Right hand is the ( RIGHT, that's the correct hand ) for the task and the other hand is the one that's Left as in Left over.