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[RedCowboy]

Trump threatened the EU with 50 percent tariffs next month and Apple with 25 percent. THAT is why the markets are doing so poorly.

It also has to do with rising treasury yields and an overbought market, again don't pretend you understand the market paul.

 

[paul1598419]

It also has to do with rising treasury yields and an overbought market, again don't pretend you understand the market paul.

Yes, Treasury rates are up, but Trump's tariffs threats are the reason markets are down today.

 

[RedCowboy]

No not entirely paul. Trumps announcement is only contributory.

 

[Aorus Forever]

Again.... and you pay attention, I was never in love with Trump.

Honestly I was surprised when he won the Republican primary the 1st time and yes, Trump is hella flawed, he's a megalomaniac who loves the sound of his own voice, I wish he would measure his words and generally speak less to make his points.

That said Trump is what we got and even though you accuse him of these evils...... IDGAF because they are all scoundrels, thieves, liars, sexual deviants, power mongers and outright rotten bastards. Biden, Obama, Clinton all made me feel sick.

Regan was good IMHO but the last choice was Trump or the cackling moron tool Harris, that was no choice !

I know you hate Trump, but I still think he's our best chance for..... well Making America Great Again, but just for fun, lets say after the midterm that we could actually impeach and remove Trump, will you be happy with J.D. Vance or do you want to remove him too ?
Next Johnson, then Grassley...... who do you want and how's it supposed to happen ?

Tell us more about the Deep State...

 

[paul1598419]

No not entirely paul. Trumps announcement is only contributory.

Trump's tariff threats are the main reason markets are down today. Yes, Treasury rates are contributory, but tariffs are the main reason. And, Treasury rates are also Trump's fault. He is, not only the most corrupt president, he's also the most incompetent.

 

[RedCowboy]

Nope, not even close, you're just a hater and neither of you have anything to contribute except complaints.

@Aorus Forever A Bunch of bullshit accusations with zero convictions means nothing.

Trump is doing good work, just like the voters elected him to do.

Enjoy the next 3.6 Years of Trumpian Excellence, because democrats insisting on the 1st female POTUS was idiotic, because Harris is a moron. Seriously WTF were they thinking ?

 

[paul1598419]

Nope, not even close, you're just a hater and neither of you have anything to contribute except complaints.

@Aorus Forever A Bunch of bullshit accusations with zero convictions means nothing.

Trump is doing good work, just like the voters elected him to do.

Enjoy the next 3.6 Years of Trumpian Excellence, because democrats insisting on the 1st female POTUS was idiotic, because Harris is a moron.

Trump is corrupt and incompetent. And, the courts are doing well to stop Trump. Don't expect SCOTUS to bail him out either.

 

[Aorus Forever]

Nope, not even close, you're just a hater and neither of you have anything to contribute except complaints.

@Aorus Forever A Bunch of bullshit accusations with zero convictions means nothing.

Trump is doing good work, just like the voters elected him to do.

Enjoy the next 3.6 Years of Trumpian Excellence, because democrats insisting on the 1st female POTUS was idiotic, because Harris is a moron. Seriously WTF were they thinking ?

Got it, everyone is lying and only trump tells the truth, the guy who told over 35,000 lies in his first term, the guy who was convicted of business and tax fraud, is telling the truth, the guy who was found guilty of sexual assault and defamation, the guy who during his trial for SA and defamation claim his victim "wasn't his type" then confused his victim with his ex-wife, the guy who university, with his name on it was shut down as a fraud, the guy that is on video tape saying "I just walk right up and grab them by the pussy and I just start kissing them, I don't even ask" is the guy telling the truth???

I can go on and on with trump, you only accept convictions, well there's some of the countless convictions that trump lied his ass off trying to get out of them even when there is video tape confessions of his guilt!!!

But somehow you believe all those women are lying and only the convicted liar is telling the truth?!? only someone with complete devotion to trump could believe him about anything, and you say everyone but you is not living in the real world???

Right... no red flags there...

 

[Aorus Forever]

Nope, not even close, you're just a hater and neither of you have anything to contribute except complaints.

@Aorus Forever A Bunch of bullshit accusations with zero convictions means nothing.

Trump is doing good work, just like the voters elected him to do.

Enjoy the next 3.6 Years of Trumpian Excellence, because democrats insisting on the 1st female POTUS was idiotic, because Harris is a moron. Seriously WTF were they thinking ?

This is the person you love so much and support.

Here’s a timeline covering just a handful of trump's many allegations of wrongdoing and convictions:

1970s: Discrimination against Black renters​

If you’ve seen the Trump-based film, The Apprentice, you’ll be familiar with this story. Back in 1973 when Trump was simply known for his endeavours in New York real estate rather than dividing a nation, he was sued by the US Department of Justice (along with his father, Fred Trump) for discriminating against Black renters who wanted to rent in buildings he owned. The case was settled in 1975 with no admission of guilt, but Trump was required to sign a document agreeing to change his rental practices.

1980s: Sexual misconduct allegations begin​

Over the years, at least 25 women have gone on record to accuse Trump of predatory and inappropriate behaviour towards them, ranging from groping to rape, dating as far back as the 1980s and spanning right up until the mid-00s.

Those who’ve accused Trump of wrongdoing range from a woman who says she was just a teenager at the time of being violently raped by Trump and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, to a journalist who says she was assaulted while interviewing the Trumps at home in Mar-a-Lago in 2005 (when Trump's wife, Melania, was pregnant with their son, Barron).

In papers relating to their divorce, Trump’s first wife Ivana Trump also accused him of rape, something she later retracted in a statement saying: “As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a ‘rape,’ but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.”

Trump’s conviction rate vs the number of allegations is minuscule, with only E Jean Carroll managing to win her defamation lawsuit and battery claim against Trump in 2023.

September 2005: Trump is caught on tape advocating “grabbing women by the pussy”​

While making a cameo on the soap Days Of Our Lives, Trump spoke to Access Hollywood’s Billy Bush and was recorded saying, "I don't even wait and when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything." Many likened it to Trump encouraging and/or admitting sexual assault and the tape was used as evidence during one of his trials against E Jean Carroll in October 2022.

When the tape was made public in 2016, Trump responded by saying, “I said it, I was wrong, and I apologise.”

April 2016: Trump is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl​

In one particularly gutting allegation, a woman known only by the pseudonym Katie Johnson accused Trump and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein of raping her when she was just 13 years old, back in 1994. In a formal declaration, Johnson wrote: “Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump's sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed." Trump’s lawyer labelled the allegations as “categorically untrue” and “frivolous”.

Initially the case was dismissed. It was refiled in the September of that same year, but the lawsuit was withdrawn by Johnson two months later. She also pulled out of a public appearance shortly beforehand, saying she feared for her safety.

Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump pose for a photo at Mar-a-Lago in 1997

October 2016: A journalist accuses Trump of assaulting her in Mar-a-Lago​

Natasha Stoynoff claims she was assaulted at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate by him while working as a reporter for PEOPLE magazine in 2005. She’d been sent to Trump’s Florida home to cover his wedding anniversary with a then-pregnant Melania. During a house tour, Stoynoff alleges Trump forcibly kissed her and only stopped when a staff member entered the room.

“Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat,” Stoynoff said in a 2016 essay for PEOPLE about the apparent incident.

A Trump spokeswoman responded to the article by saying “this never happened”.

October 2016: Stormy Daniels is paid hush money​

Adult entertainer Stormy Daniels is paid $130,000 by Trump’s then-lawyer, Michael Cohen, in order to keep quiet about having slept with Trump (something he denies happened). Apparently, this was due to fears that if the story broke, it could harm Trump’s reputation and his first bid for the White House.

Trump has always denied knowledge of Daniels receiving such a payment at the hands of Cohen, who in turn claims he acted very much under Trump’s instructions.

May 2017 - March 2019: Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation​

Following accusations that Trump’s 2016 election campaign involved illegally conspiring with Russia, former FBI investigator, Robert Mueller, spent almost two years investigating any possible wrongdoing.

Mueller’s team were unable to find enough evidence to prove Trump’s team directly “colluded” with Russia, but it ascertained that Russia did interfere with the first US election that Trump won by spreading mis- and disinformation online. Some of Trump’s known associates, such as Paul Manafort and Roger Stone, were ultimately convicted but Trump was not. He denied any wrongdoing.

April 2018: Trump University found to be a ‘sham’​

Between 2005 and 2010, Trump ran a costly course promising to help real estate hopefuls break into the business, something he called Trump University – only its false promises of success proved a total flop. In 2018, a judge ruled that Trump must pay out $25 million as part of a settlement that saw some students get part of their money back.

ABC reported that New York Attorney General, Eric T. Schneiderman, said of the case, "Judge Curiel's order finalising the $25 million Trump University settlement means victims of Donald Trump's fraudulent university will finally receive the relief they deserve. This settlement marked a stunning reversal by President Trump, who for years refused to compensate the victims of his sham university [...] My office won't hesitate to hold those who commit fraud accountable, no matter how rich or powerful they may be."

Again, this case was settled without any admission of wrongdoing on Trump’s part.

21 June 2019: E Jean Carroll accuses Trump of raping her in a department store​

In an article for New York Magazine, former ELLE columnist E Jean Carroll claimed Trump raped in her in the spring of 1996 while she was working in a plush department store, Bergdorf Goodman. As part of the powerful imagery accompanying the article, Carroll wore the same all-black outfit she says she was dressed in on the day of the alleged rape. She also discussed the incident in her book, What Do We Need Men For?

Trump denied the rape ever occurred and said Carroll’s story was “fake, like the author”.

E Jean Carroll arrives for her civil trial against Donald Trump on 8 May 2023

18 December 2019: Trump is impeached for the first time​

Trump is charged with abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, after being accused of pressuring Ukraine to launch an investigation into his political rival, Joe Biden and his family (by threatening to withhold military aid). The House of Representatives impeached Trump in December 2019, however the Senate (which has a Republican majority) voted to acquit him in February 2020.

November 2020 - January 2021: Trump tries to overthrow the 2020 election results​

After losing to Biden, Trump and his team repeated false information and claimed he lost due to voter fraud. He also also tried to coerce Republican state officials into throwing out very legitimate results, as they weren’t to his liking. This, along with plenty of fiery social media commentary, resulted in a group of die-hard Trump supporters descending on the Capitol on 6 January 2021 and rioting – resulting in the death of a police officer who was assaulted by rioters and a Trump supporter, who was shot at by the authorities. A handful of officers who responded to the riots also ended their own lives within a year of the event.

13 January 2021: Trump is impeached again following the Capitol riot​

Two months after losing out to Biden, Trump found himself accused of inciting a violent attack on the Capitol carried out by his supporters on 6 January 2021. Trump was accused of fanning the flames of violence through his posts on social media, claiming the election he lost to Biden was rigged and a miscarriage of justice.

Trump was once again acquitted by the Senate a month later.

Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as they push barricades to storm the US Capitol in Washington DC on 6 January 2021

May 2021: Trump is asked about missing classified documents​

It’s reported that in May 2021, the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) contacted Trump’s legal team alerting them to the fact that two boxes of classified documents had gone AWOL following his departure from the White House.

January – August 2022: Missing documents found at Trump’s home​

After 15 boxes of unauthorised materials were found in Trump’s possession in January of 2022, the FBI continued an investigation that culminated in a raid on Mar-a-Lago on 8 August 2022. Many more classified documents were unearthed.

November 2022 - Spring 2023: E Jean Carroll wins her case​

After initially struggling to build a case against Trump, largely due to his presidential immunity at the time, Carroll filed a defamation lawsuit against Trump – who called her a ‘liar’ after her New York Magazine article – and made a claim for battery in November 2022. Following a trial in the spring of 2023, a jury found Trump was liable for sexually abusing Carroll and defaming her by falsely denying it, which impacted on her reputation.

Trump was not found liable for rape but rather for sexual abuse. However, when Trump later filed a countersuit against Carroll, the judge dismissed it and said Carroll’s rape accusation was “substantially true”. In total, Carroll was awarded $88 million in damages.

13 January 2023: The Trump Organization is fined $1.6million​

The Trump Organization (not Trump personally) was convicted of tax fraud and fined $1.6 million in relation to 17 charges, which included falsifying documents and allegedly inflating asset values for loans and insurance purposes, while simultaneously undervaluing them for tax purposes. As part of this case, Trump’s other business practices were also investigated.

June 2023: Trump charged with 37 federal counts relating to classified documents​

Following the FBI raid and recovery of classified information, Trump was hit with 37 federal counts related to the unlawful possession, retention, and mishandling of classified documents, as well as obstruction of justice for attempting to hide the documents. However, the case was thrown out after his election win.

13 March 2024: Trump charged with trying to overturn election results in Georgia​

A case against Trump, along with 18 others, begins, hooked on accusations that Trump tried to pressure Georgia’s Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, into overturning the vote count which saw him lose the 2020 election to Joe Biden.

In this incident, there were 13 felonies levelled against Trump, spanning racketeering, conspiracy, and false statements. He has denied wrongdoing. This case was later dropped following the 2024 election.

30 May 2024: Trump is found guilty on 34 counts of fraud​

Trump was found guilty by a 12-person jury of 34 counts of fraud in relation to the paying off of Stormy Daniels. During the trial, Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen alleged that he paid Daniels the money $130,000 (£106,000) from his own account at Trump’s instruction and under the premise that he would be reimbursed. Trump denied this, but the court found Trump had repaid the sum in instalments falsely recorded as 'legal expenses'.

The trial was not focussed on the paying off of Daniels with hush money (that in itself is not a crime), but rather the falsifying of legal documents relating to it and on Trump violating a New York law on corporate record-keeping. According to the BBC, Trump was also accused of election interference by paying the hush money, as it was viewed as an attempt to prevent voters from accessing vital information about him and his character.

Each of the 34 counts relates to a different falsified document.

10 January 2025: Trump gets an 'unconditional discharge'​

On 10 January, Trump received an 'unconditional discharge' from Judge Juan Merchan in relation to his 34 counts of fraud, which essentially means while he is still guilty in the eyes of the law and has a conviction to his name, he avoided any jail time or probation. Some outlets report this sentencing could impact Trump's ability to travel to other countries which have strict laws preventing convicted felons from entering, but it remains to be seen how that might play out for the president.

Trump appears remotely for his sentencing hearing before Judge Juan Merchan with his attorney, Todd Blanche (10 January 2025)
During the video call in which the judge relayed the decision, Trump appeared with his lawyer and declared that he is "totally innocent" and lamented that he had been treated poorly by the judicial system, implying the case was only brought against him for political purposes.

"I would like to explain that I was treated very, very unfairly, and I thank you very much," he stressed.

Now that he's been sentenced, Trump is able to appeal the verdict – something he has previously said he plans to do.

And you think I should support that? NEVER! He is a proven liar and a scumbag regardless of how many people like you he tricked into re-electing him! HE SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS! But he only has 3.6 years of protection left, enjoy them while you can...

 

[Aorus Forever]

How is trump ever going to drain the swamp when he IS THE SWAMP?!

And the swamp just keeps on getting bigger and bigger!​

 

[RedCowboy]

THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP..... BEST PRESIDENT EVER.

@paul1598419 .... I TOLD YOU SO !

 

[RedCowboy]

 

[Aorus Forever]

THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP..... BEST PRESIDENT EVER.

Trump ranked dead last as worst president ever in U.S. history!​

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[RedCowboy]

AMERICAN HERO DONALD TRUMP PARDONS 1500 JAN. 6TH PROTESTORS WHO WERE MADE VICTIMS OF A DEMOCRAT POLITICAL AGENDA.

 

[RedCowboy]

 

[paul1598419]

Yeah, good luck with that.